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Chú thích đó cũng chỉ 1 ḍng, nói lằng nhằng th́ cũng hơi quá Thực ra ḿnh cũng không định giải thích về tên đó làm ǵ, v́ chỉ cần tiếng Anh sơ cấp cũng đă biết từ "Bag" có nghĩa là ǵ rồi.
C̣n việc Việt hóa tên riêng, nhất là lại để kiểu nửa nạc nửa mỡ như: Bilbo Bao Gai, Lobelia Sắc Vải-Bao Gai, v.v.. th́ ḿnh không làm được. (Thorin "Khiên sồi" th́ Oakenshield là biệt danh, không phải họ, nên cần được dịch)
Kể cũng xui, sau khi ḿnh đặt gạch dịch Hobbit không lâu th́ xảy ra vụ lùm xùm về dịch thuật LOTR quyển I của Nhă Nam, dân t́nh căi nhau tá lả Nên ḿnh cũng xác định lần này thế nào cũng "dính phốt" rồi, dịch kiểu ǵ cũng không thể làm hài ḷng được tất cả mọi người, vậy làm được đến đâu th́ làm thôi.
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Theo ḿnh, quan trọng là sự cảm phim của mỗi người, sub sẽ giúp ta cộng hưởng thêm. Không có ǵ là thập toàn thập mỹ cả, bản sub như thế này là ok lắm rồi. Thanks chủ thớt phát nữa nhá!
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Bản dịch này quá tuyệt rồi. Các bác trán của PDV vs GVN mà được dịch bộ TLOTR th́ c̣n ǵ bằng. Đợt rồi mua quyển 1 của Nhă Nam tiếc tiền quá :-(
To the New World
Theo lư giải của người dịch th́ chính gia đ́nh tác giả bắt phải dịch tên riêng theo phong cách như vậy (Bao Gai, Thun Đáy Khe...), bằng một xấp tài liệu quy định cách dịch. Chứ ḿnh nghĩ chằng ai rảnh đi Việt hóa mấy từ đó, để nguyên dịch nhanh hơn nhiều.
Big fan of Marvel and Jennifer Lawrence
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Cái này họ căi nhau nhiều quá rồi, cả mấy trăm comment trên FB nên ḿnh cũng không muốn dài ḍng. Tuy ḿnh không tham gia vào vụ đó, nhưng hai bên ai cũng có cái lư của ḿnh.
Bên Nhă Nam + ủng hộ: Dựa vào "Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings" (tập hướng dẫn dịch giả cách dịch) và cho rằng nên Việt hóa tên riêng để người đọc thưởng thức tác phẩm một cách dễ dàng. Ngoài ra c̣n lấy dẫn chứng ở các tác phẩm của nước khác.
Bên phản đối: Trích dẫn câu nói của Tolkien lúc trước, đại ư là ông cực lực phản đối việc dịch tên riêng. Ngoài ra th́ lấy lư do chủ nghĩa dân tộc của châu Âu thời đó, việc tác phẩm khi xuất bản ra nước khác đều bắt buộc chuyển ngữ toàn bộ nên Tolkien mới phải làm ra cái Guide trên. Cộng thêm việc cái Guide ban đầu nhằm dành cho các ngôn ngữ tương đồng như Germanic và Scandinavian, và chỉ mang tính "Hướng dẫn" khi dịch giả bắt buộc phải dịch.
Tóm lại là do Tolkien đă không "kịp" nghiên cứu đến các ngôn ngữ hệ Ấn và Á Đông để ra một quyết định cụ thể cho việc Việt hóa nên nó mới bát nháo như thế này
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@SoiNon: cái bài hát với câu đố là anh dịch ạ?? Hay quá cơ
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► Điện ảnh: Jumanji, Sleeping Beauty, Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets, 300 Rise of an Empire, Frozen (Oscar 2014), Harry Potter And The Sorcerers' Stone, The Hunger Games: Catching Fire, Carrie, About Time, The Conjuring, The Big Wedding, Cinderella , The Impossible, Oz the Great and Powerful, Warm Bodies, Les Miserables (Nominated Oscar 2013), Rise Of The Guardians, The Odd Life of Timothy Green, Brave (Oscar 2013), The Avengers, Tinker Bell Secret of the Wings, The Woman in Black, The Hunger Games, American Psycho, Puss In Boots (Nominated Oscar 2012), In Time, Sister Act, Final Destination 5, Fright Night
► Truyền h́nh: Desperate Housewives, Once Upon a Time, Revenge, Breaking Bad, Grey's Anatomy, Justice League, American Horror Story, The White Queen, Scandal
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Trong bộ LLoTR ḿnh luôn ấn tượng nhất về nhân vật Gollum . Giọng nói, cử chỉ, ánh mắt đều rất cuốn hút...
Trong The Hobbit cũng vậy. Tuy nhân vật này xuất hiện rất ít nhưng để lại ấn tượng rất mạnh.
"Gollum là một sinh vật đáng thương".
Hy vọng sau The Hobbit sẽ có một phần riêng nói về Gollum.
ḿnh thấy cách dịch của SN là chuẩn và hay lắm rồi, không thích cách Việt Hoá của NN tí nào. Đồng ư Việt Hoá là giúp người đọc dễ hiểu hơn, nhưng đă làm th́ làm cho trót v́ những từ mà họ Việt Hoá nghe rất kỳ và c̣n nhiều từ ḿnh đọc không biết họ đang viết ǵ luôn, VD như: Thung Đáy Khe, Đại Mạch Bơ Gai, Sắc Văi Bao Gai (cái j cũng dùng gai cho được), Bướu Ú, Cu Thộn Ngố, Nịt Chặt Quần.....Nếu Việt Hoá nghe hay th́ không ai nói ǵ đằng này...
Ḿnh lấy VD từ Rivendell th́ Tolkien cho đó là trường hợp khó và đă đề nghị "translate by sense, or retain as seems best." Dịch thoáng nghĩa hoặc để nguyên dường như là cách tốt nhất. Ḿnh không nghờ Nhă Nam lại dịch thoáng đến độ nó thành "Thung Đáy Khe" nếu thế sao không nghe theo lời tác giả là giữ nguyên nó cho lành.
Bài viết này đă nói rơ vấn đề trên
http://thethaovanhoa.vn/van-hoa-toan...1034256441.htm
Nó chỉ là cái guide để giúp cho dễ dịch nếu cần, không phải bắt buột. V́ lúc trước bản dịch của Thuỵ Điển đă khiến Tolkien tức giận khi họ dịch hết tất cả các danh từ riêng, tên riêng tuy nhiên họ đă dịch sai và làm phá vỡ hệ thống tên mà ông đă tạo ra. Cuối cùng Tolkien quyết định viết cái "Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings" để giúp đỡ phần nào trong việc dịch thôi.
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